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23 April 2005 @ 22:39
Gallifrey Go BOOM  
So not_vacillating has the pokey-stick out.

I'm gonna state up front that my knowledge of canon is limited to the aired episodes. I know bugger-all about fanon sources such as the novels or audio adventures. So this is based on my (somewhat limited by time and fuzzy recollection) knowledge of the series alone (which includes most of Three, all of Four, most of Five, parts of Six, vague rumours about Seven, and Eight on video tape somewhere in my basement).

Gallifrey go BOOM (and should stay went BOOM)

What defines the new series for me—and defines the Ninth Doctor in my mind—is the destruction of Gallifrey.

The Time War is being set up as the arc of the season, and I have become fascinated with it, because it has significantly changed both the character of the Doctor, and the Doctor Who universe as we know it.

The way I always understood it, the Doctor stole a TARDIS because he was disgusted with his people, and the fact that they had the power to help, but not the compassion to use that power. He held Gallifreyan society in contempt, and rebelled.

With the destruction of Gallifrey, the Doctor's status changes. His entire sense of self is changed. He's not a rebel Time Lord any longer. He's now the last Time Lord. And that changes the playing field considerably. It changes how he views himself, it changes how he views his people, and it affects any relationships he may have with anyone he meets.

Even in exile, the possibility still existed that Gallifrey could change. That the Doctor could be a force of change for his people. That he could have a home to go back to that was not the home he left—that he chose to leave, and that he was barred from returning to. That possibility meant that there was hope. Even if it was a hope he wasn't aware he held.

But are you still a rebel, if the world and the attitudes you were rebelling against no longer exist? And what do you do, when you lose something that is such a huge part of your sense of self? How do you adjust when a hope you may not have realised you held out, is extinguished completely?

I said, after "End of the World" that the loss of Gallifrey "woobified" the Doctor. I only half-meant it as a joke. The way, in the 5 aired episodes, the Doctor has been affected by the destruction of Gallifrey has made him more vulnerable than we have seen him in previous incarnations.

His anguish over the Time War was hinted at in his exchange with the Nestene Consciousness. "I couldn't save your world—I couldn't save any of them," was a line read with considerable emotion, as the Nestene blamed the Time Lord, and his reaction was emotional. While some incarnations of the past wouldn't have been as hesitatant to use the anti-plastic the moment the threat was identified, this incarnation held out hope that the situation could be resolved without destroying the Consciousness. Despite his experiences with the Autons in the past.

His reaction to Rose's quite reasonable question of where he was from out of proportion to her query. His response is to practically shout "This is who I am. Right here, right now. All right? All that counts is here and now. And this is me." As a viewer, I interpreted his response as the Doctor clinging to the present, because the past is gone.

The Gelth used the Doctor's guilt over the Time War to manipulate him. It's strongly implied in "Unquiet Dead" that they used Gwynneth's gift to "read" him, and play on his sympathies to get what they wanted. They played him, pure and simple, and Earth almost paid the price.

We don't get an explicit reference to the Time War in "Aliens of London", but what we do get is an examination of the Doctor's compassion. And you may laugh at the "Pigs in Space" reference. But the Doctor's empathy for the frightened animal's death is an example for the audience of the Doctor's "humanity." Even thought the character is set up to be "alien", it's his very alienness that allows the character to hold up a distorted mirror to reveal what is best in humanity. In the moment where he bends down to offer comfort to a dying animal, we see a very pure example of compassion. It's that same compassion that he saw as lacking in his own people.

This Doctor is alone. Before, he chose it. He chose to leave Gallifrey. He chose to rebel. He chose to continue travelling. Now that choice has been revoked. He is alone in a way he never has been before. Which brings me to his choice to take on a new companion, and how his relationship with Rose is defined by his loss of Gallifrey.

The Doctor has witnessed—and been scarred by—an ending. So it makes sense that he would look for a beginning. By viewing the Universe through Rose's eyes, he can experience it as something new and wondrous, seeing possibilities for the first time—instead of seeing his piece of it that is no longer there. He takes delight in her delight at things that are old hat to him, but an extraordinary new adventure for her. It allows him to experience the universe in a way that might otherwise have been lost to him, because he has found a companion with a sense of adventure and wonder equal to his own.

It's established in "Rose" that Rose is in many ways an adult among children. Jackie turns Rose's ordeal into something all about her, including making disparaging comments about how the ordeal has "aged her—skin like an old Bible." Mickey is concerned only to the degree of missing part of a football match. Rose accepts this from the two people closest to her, and when both of them are threatened, Rose is the one who steps in to protect them.

When the Doctor tells Rose to "leg it" because the Nestene Consciousness is beginning to transmit the signal, Rose's first instinct is to call her mum and warn her. Not self-preservation—but looking after her loved ones. While Mickey is utterly useless, Rose stays by his side. When the Doctor is threatened, Rose takes action to help him, despite the potential consequences to herself. Rose initially rejects the Doctor's offer because "someone needs to look after [Mickey]." It's only when she learns that the TARDIS travels in time as well as space that Rose allows herself to make a choice to actually benefit her—instead of catering to the needs of the people around her.

While the Doctor has had travelling companions in the past, I don't think—emotionally—he has previously needed one as much as he needs Rose, in the wake of the destruction of Gallifrey. And that fundamentally changes their relationship, in comparison with companions of yore. It makes him vulnerable—needing someone always makes you vulnerable—but it also make him stronger, because he's forging a strong relationship out of that need that is more of a partnership than many of his previous liaisons with companions.

And because he is vulnerable, he's not above using emotional blackmail. In "World War Three" when Jackie invites him to tea, he dangles the wonders of the Universe like a carrot from a stick, literally, to force Rose to choose between him and her family. As if he's testing her conviction. He wants and needs her that badly. He is intensely uncomfortable with families (there are repeated variations of the line "I don't do families" over the course of the two part episode) and appears to actually flee Rose's farewell with Jackie. Yet he began his journey in the TARDIS with his granddaughter in tow. So it's worth mentioning that he is so visibly uncomfortable with Rose's ties to her family.

By choosing Rose, the Doctor has involved himself with someone who will challenge him the same way he tried to challenge his people. Rose gives as good as she gets, has strong opinions, and doesn't allowed herself to be cowed by him. This is particularly apparent in "The Unquiet Dead" when Rose argues with him regarding using Gwynneth to assuage his own sense of guilt. Rose may have been right for the wrong reasons—but she was still willing to stand up for herself, and stand up for someone whom she saw as her responsibility, whom she did not believe capable of standing up for herself. This pattern of behaviour echoes the Doctor's own desire to use the power he has as a Time Lord to help people, rather than merely observing and recording. But also to actually experience life, instead of merely witnessing it. It's that thirst for adventure that defines both the Doctor and Rose, in that respect.

Unlike many previous companions, Rose was not stranded. She is not merely a hitch-hiker. She also made a conscious choice, much as the Doctor did when he left Gallifrey. She wasn't content with the life she had, was frustrated by the complacency of the people closest to her (as illustrated by Jackie's comment that working in Henriks was giving Rose "airs and graces" and Rose's dismay over lunch with Plastic!Mickey over having limited options for employment due to her lack of education). So the series has consciously set Rose up as a much-smaller-in-scale mirror of the Doctor, in many ways.

Ignoring the meta-question of whether the pacing of the growth relationship has validity, or is being rushed, the way it is presented in canon is this: Rose looks after people. And the Doctor needs looking after. That's how their relationship starts. And I don't think it would have started—or grown so close so quickly—if it hadn't been for the destruction of Gallifrey.

As a viewer, I am clinging to the idea that Gallifrey is gone forever and cannot be visited or resurrected, and the Doctor is the Last Time Lord, because it gives the story a dimension is has not had before. And that is a defining aspect of this new series which I would like to see explored.

To me, it's like Superman.

(What? We're in Smallville, now? No. Trust me. This relates.)

The heart of the character of Superman is that Krypton is gone, and he is the last of his kind, and he is alone. It gave a sense of epic tragedy to a silly little four-colour comic aimed at 8 year olds and GIs. It's part of why the character has endured for 60+ years, because it took a guy who was wearing his underwear on the outside, and gave the story a sense of pathos.

However, as time went on, that core was eroded by the appearance of a cousin (Supergirl), a shrunken city (the bottled city of Kandor), and the villains in the Phantom Zone. You chip away at an epic story, until it's a joke. He's the Last Son of Krypton (Except For All These Other Folks, and the Dog, Horse, Cat, and Monkey*).

If the writers of the current series are going to destroy Gallifrey—wipe it and all other Time Lords out of existence, possibly even erasing their very existence—then the impact of that decision is diminished if you have the Doctor discovering other surviving Time Lords, or be able to travel into Gallifrey's past. It would actively undermine the pathos for me. It would feel, in short, like a cheat.

The whole dynamic of the central relationship in the series—the Doctor and Rose—is delicately balanced on the Doctor's grief over the loss of Gallifrey. I'm not saying that it's impossible to resurrect Gallifrey or the Time Lords and still make the series captivate me the way it has.

I am saying there would have to be a serious amount of fancy footwork to make it not feel like the whole Time War arc was nothing but a put-on. A smoke and mirrors light show. Because from the moment Jabe first accessed the Metal-Mind on Platform One and scanned the Doctor, I went as a viewer from "Wheeeee! My show is back and it's so much fun!" to "OMG I am now thoroughly obsessed."

The destruction of Gallifrey changes everything, and I am fascinated with how those changes make themselves felt with each episode that is transmitted. I'm enjoying learning the new terrain, now that the face of the playing field has been so dramatically changed.

I just don't want, at the end of episode 13, to have the lights come up and find out all that depth was just shadow-play.




*There were, I am so not lying here, a Kryptonian wonder-dog, super horse, super cat, and super monkey named, if memory servers, Krypto, Streaky, Comet, and Beppo. Okay, I could not MAKE THIS SHIT UP.
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teh nos': dw - he's gay and she's an aliennostalgia_lj on 24th April 2005 04:46 (UTC)

The way I always understood it, the Doctor stole a TARDIS because he was disgusted with his people

They were Tories. *believes this utterly*

I think it's fair to say that, while incarnations of he past wouldn't have hesitated to use the anti-plastic the moment the threat was identified

See, I'd say they'd have tried Niceness first. Well, except the Seventh. He'd go back in time and set it up to you'd die, and then SAY he'd given you the chance and it was YOUR OWN FAULT DAMMIT. That's why I love him, omg!

"This is who I am. Right here, right now. All right? All that counts is here and now. And this is me." As a viewer, I interpreted his response as the Doctor clinging to the present, because the past is gone.

I wondered if he'd done a Bad Thing, or a Thing about which he is vaguely guilty. *ponders*

He takes delight in her delight at things that are old hat to him, but an extraordinary new adventure for her. It allows him to experience the universe in a way that might otherwise have been lost to him, because he has found a companion with a sense of adventure and wonder equal to his own.

Omg, see, I knew there was a reason he was taking her to really boring relatively normal places. He's working up to it. Well, that or 'The Time Lord Guide To Dating' has a bit that goes "Take your intended sexual partner to see his/her/its home planet destroyed. They always like that one, and it's cheaper than a restaurant."

It makes him vulnerable--needing someone always makes you vulnerable--but it also make him stronger, because he's forging a strong relationship out of that need that is more of a partnership than many of his previous liaisons with companions.

And there's another thing - for all that we're blaming RTD for forcing it all a bit fast, maybe the Doctor really is pushing too much too soon because he wants to get close to someone. And maybe he's going "Right, apparently if you shag them you get to keep them. Should possibly try that at some point..." I'd be very impressed if it were that or something.

By choosing Rose, the Doctor has involved himself with someone who will challenge him the same way he tried to challenge his people. Rose gives as good as she gets, has strong opinions, and doesn't allowed herself to be cowed by him.

I reckon that's the ones he likes best anyway. *thinks* Like, he so totally liked Peri much more when he hated her. Or something. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, DAMMIT.

possibly even erasing their very existence

I wondered about that when Jabe said "it's remarkable that you even exist". So, people seem to have heard to Gallifrey and what happened to it, but not to actually expect any of them to turn up ever ever again.

Because from the moment Jabe first accessed the Metal-Mind on Platform One and scanned the Doctor, I went as a viewer from "Wheeeee! My show is back and it's so much fun!" to "OMG I am now thoroughly obsessed."

And, oooh, Jabe. Once she brings up the subject, their relationship changes. It's less with the flirty and you have to wonder if he'd've shagged her asked her along with them if she'd survived.

I just don't want, at the end of episode 13, to have the lights come up and find out all that depth was just shadow-play.

...umm, how spoiled are you/do you want to be?
Vacillating: DW: peace and lovenot_vacillating on 24th April 2005 08:07 (UTC)
First, nos': I love the icon. Love it to pieces. Want to cuddle it and pet it and call it George. (why does this line suddenly give me internal Bra'tec? "Or Hammond of Texas." *shakes head very hard*)

They were Tories. *believes this utterly*

Dude, they so were.

This reminds me, I have a half-idea that cross-show comparision of 'Prime Directive', i.e. non-interference polices, might be interesting. SG-1 doesn't have one, Trek does, and DW outright says that it's the wrong appraoch. Sadly, I don't feel I know Trek well enough to argue it through with adequate evidence.

I wondered if he'd done a Bad Thing, or a Thing about which he is vaguely guilty. *ponders*

I wondered that too, and so far my best guess is that he feels guilty about not extending his policy of interference to the Gallifreians. Given how coldly he watched Cassandra die, I see the possibility that he knew the Time War was going to destroy Gallifrey, considered stepping in to save them, and then said, "no, their policy is no interference, let them find out for themselves where it gets them". I doubt that'll turn out to be right-- if I'm even on the right lines, RTD would make it so that in one way or another he *couldn't* have helped-- but it seems like a plausible image.

Well, that or 'The Time Lord Guide To Dating' has a bit that goes "Take your intended sexual partner to see his/her/its home planet destroyed. They always like that one, and it's cheaper than a restaurant."

Now I'm wondering how much else we can deduce about the Time Lord Guide to Dating, if we accept the theory (which actually I don't, but I like this idea, so I'm going to ignore my COMPLETE AND UTTER DISAGREEMENT with the premises, just for a sentance or two) that the Doctor is trying to date Rose. "Seeing death increases the sexual urge in some species. Try visiting a morgue if the exploding planet didn't work."? "Finally, do let them visit home if they keep asking to-- even if you're mortally afraid of their mothers."?

And there's another thing - for all that we're blaming RTD for forcing it all a bit fast, maybe the Doctor really is pushing too much too soon because he wants to get close to someone. And maybe he's going "Right, apparently if you shag them you get to keep them. Should possibly try that at some point..." I'd be very impressed if it were that or something.

As an internal explanation, I confess I quite like this. It fits with my theory about the Doctor being quite emotionally unstable and needing Rose to balance him.

I wondered about that when Jabe said "it's remarkable that you even exist". So, people seem to have heard to Gallifrey and what happened to it, but not to actually expect any of them to turn up ever ever again.

Now, when I heard that my first thought was that the Doctor, being half-human, would be a remarkable mix. Clearly our minds work along very different lines.

Once she brings up the subject, their relationship changes. It's less with the flirty and you have to wonder if he'd've shagged her asked her along with them if she'd survived.

He totally would have asked her along.

...umm, how spoiled are you/do you want to be?

I just sent her the brief episode description I have for episode 11-- with a warning, but still, I suspect, nos', that you and I are thinking the same thing.
teh nos'nostalgia_lj on 24th April 2005 08:35 (UTC)

This reminds me, I have a half-idea that cross-show comparision of 'Prime Directive', i.e. non-interference polices, might be interesting. SG-1 doesn't have one, Trek does, and DW outright says that it's the wrong appraoch. Sadly, I don't feel I know Trek well enough to argue it through with adequate evidence.

I have always harboured the suspicion that in the event of crossover, the Doctor would bring down the Federation.

"Seeing death increases the sexual urge in some species. Try visiting a morgue if the exploding planet didn't work."? "Finally, do let them visit home if they keep asking to-- even if you're mortally afraid of their mothers."?

"Humans are known for being especially easy. And they like chips. DO NOT PAY FOR THE CHIPS YOUSELF, as this is often taken as a proposal of marriage/ritual mate-bonding/similar equivalent."

As an internal explanation, I confess I quite like this. It fits with my theory about the Doctor being quite emotionally unstable and needing Rose to balance him.

*is liek omg smug now*

Vacillating: DW: peace and lovenot_vacillating on 24th April 2005 10:13 (UTC)
I have always harboured the suspicion that in the event of crossover, the Doctor would bring down the Federation.

He'd so kick Archer's arse. And run rings around Q.

"Humans are known for being especially easy. And they like chips. DO NOT PAY FOR THE CHIPS YOUSELF, as this is often taken as a proposal of marriage/ritual mate-bonding/similar equivalent."

"The human mother is highly protective of her offspring, like unto a raging hippopotumous. AVOID AT ALL COSTS."
teh nos'nostalgia_lj on 24th April 2005 10:40 (UTC)
"Generally, evidence suggests human males are even more whorish than the females. Unless you have a strong preference for the other, it is suggested trying the men."


Ooh, and as a non-ship person, how'd you take that "I could lose the world but lose you line"? Given that Harriet's there and ABOUT TO SODDING die as well. And he loves Harriet more. I'd reckon Rose fancies Nine, but is it mutual in the way she wants it to be?
Vacillating: DW: peace and lovenot_vacillating on 24th April 2005 10:48 (UTC)
"Always carry your sonic screwdriver with you; in an emergency, it can be used as a sex toy."

"I could save the world but lose you" and then your mother really would kill me. It's all about the Jackie fear, yo.

Seriously, I think it's perfectly valid to worry about losing one's friends as well as one's potential romantic partners. And in English, 'you' can be plural as well as singular; I'm sure Harriet read it that way.

Even if Rose fancies Nine, which I find possible but unproven, I think Nine's way too crazy to know that he fancies her, even if he does. He's a man on the edge.
teh nos'nostalgia_lj on 24th April 2005 11:04 (UTC)
"REMEMBER: They carry many, many diseases. Be certain to ensure that you have the consent of any STDs that are of sufficient capacity to have an opinion on the matter."


It's played very *at* Rose, which kinda undoes The Possible Plural for me, alas. Though, omfg, dude, you'll lose her IF THERE'S A FUCKING WAR AS WELL, yo! It's the playing it as sexual that makes it seem that way, rather than the actions themselves (see also: Not Wanting Your Best Friend Zombified By Undead Welsh People).

I reckon that could be some good material for a "he's pushing her for his own selfish emotional reasons" essay in there, if only I were Eloquent. She TOTALLY takes it as "omg he r teh FANCY MEEEE!" and he seems to have a bit of "Yay! She Ace-level trusts me! ALREADY! I WIN AT THE UNIVERSE!" going on. Harriet... yeah, he's not got the same connection. (But then, he's known Rose for, what, three days at this point?) When we first see him he's travelling alone, apparently fairly soon after a regeneration ("Look at the ears!"), which might well have been caused by whatever killed Gallifrey.

And, zomg, does he ACTUALLY realise what he's asking her to leave? He's all blackmailing, almost - "Ooh, your life is SO AMAZINGLY CRAP. I WILL GIVE YOU FUN AND EXCITEMENT! Did I mention your life's a bit shite, btw?" Makes her choose to do something that's happening "right now" when he has a TIME MACHINE? He's forcing that decision on her, cos it sounds like - purposefully, I reckon - a bit of a threat to just leave her if she doesn't go with him rightnowrightnow. I think he has Jackie Issues, his compromise to Rose's own emotional integrity is to ask Mickey along. And he doesn't push that, just takes Mickey's first refusal as final.

Ooh, comparison-moments from the endingy-bit of WW3, after they leave Downing Street - Rose walks into her house and hugs her mum, the Doctor walks into... an empty time machine. And then phones his one friend.
teh nos': dw - monstersnostalgia_lj on 24th April 2005 10:37 (UTC)
oh, and star trek...
I think Trek/DW comparisons would depend on the versions im both cases. I mean, I can see the Seventh and Benji Sisko sitting down and playing a nice game of chess and agreeing on general principles. But if we take TNG, which is your paragon one for the Prime Directive and the Seventh cos he's My Doctor (although maybe not the fairest comparison to Trek cos he's HARDCORE), I so can't see them getting along.

Yer basic Prime Directive theory being "omg don't interfere with pre-warp cultures! EVAR!", I can see the Doctor having a few problems with that.

God, I can almost see it. He spends an afternoon wandering round with Ace, meeting all these sad oppressed people, and being saddened about them. And being the Doctor he wants to Change Things. Except then the Federation turn up and Patrick Stewart tells him off Britishly Frenchly. Because NOES, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT to interfere with people!

Crucial point'd probably be if they went with the most hardcore interpretation, where you don't give any aid whatsoever. And for the Feds that's Fine and The Right Thing, but then the Doctor seems to be firmly in the camp that says if you *can* help and you just *don't*, you're culpable yourself. (The Seventh Doctor especially. Sod genociding the Daleks, what about the billions who died because he never had the balls to admit they were irredeemable and off them before they got anywhere. And I think he pretty much instantly decided against his own argument back in Genesis that it was better to have them around.) And Nine? "It's just standing up and making a decision because nobody else will," yo.


warinbabylonwarinbabylon on 24th April 2005 17:02 (UTC)
By choosing Rose, the Doctor has involved himself with someone who will challenge him the same way he tried to challenge his people. Rose gives as good as she gets, has strong opinions, and doesn't allowed herself to be cowed by him.

I reckon that's the ones he likes best anyway. *thinks* Like, he so totally liked Peri much more when he hated her. Or something. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, DAMMIT.


Yeah, like Tegan gave as good as she got and also chose to come back with the Doc after she left him. He seems to like the ones that don't back down from him and say: "Oh, Time Lord, better listen to the bastard." It's more like..."Great, a Time Lord...and what have you done for us lately."
teh nos'nostalgia_lj on 24th April 2005 20:04 (UTC)
Also, despite the cliche, he does tend to pick up ones that are smarter/more resourceful than the average. I think he likes the challenge, and benefits hugely from having someone to bounce ideas off. Cos, dude, think how many times he's solved the problem after his companion asked "Yeah, okay, but why is it that..." and forced him to reconsider something he was't even thinking of as odd.

Hmm. Actually, there's a lot to be said for that in terms of the "narrows it down" scene, because a human'd pick up on things he wouldn't necessarily think of as in any way odd, Like, say, being green.
warinbabylonwarinbabylon on 24th April 2005 20:06 (UTC)
LOL! And the bad breath was a great addition.
Sayraaryas_zehral on 24th April 2005 18:10 (UTC)
"Right, apparently if you shag them you get to keep them. Should possibly try that at some point..."

Lol. Just lol.