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14 May 2010 @ 17:32
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Question for anyone on my flist who does doll customising--do Sakura gel glitter pens work for lip augments? Or does the ink bleed into the vinyl, even if you seal the entire face with matte sealant before you begin?
boosette on 14th May 2010 22:36 (UTC)
The gelly roll pens?

I know from experience that trying to use them in place of eye-liner is a very bad idea, but not how they act/react with vinyl.
ljc: star trek (gaila idek)taraljc on 14th May 2010 22:38 (UTC)
I'm thinking just for lips... I am still experimenting for the best way to do glittery lipstick for Gaila. I have a practice doll that I keep painting and repainting, before I start on the one that was commissioned.
boosette on 14th May 2010 22:44 (UTC)
You could mix some kind of shimmerdust in with the acrylic paint?
ljc: star trek (gaila)taraljc on 14th May 2010 22:54 (UTC)
Tried it--didn't work :(
Soufflé Girl Wannaberagdoll on 14th May 2010 22:39 (UTC)
They've never worked for me. I've always used acrylic paints or in some cases (touch ups of vintage Barbie eyelids/eyeliner) Sharpies. YMMV.

You might want to try the glittery fabric paint that they sell at Michael's or Jo-Anns. I've had some lucky with those on vinyl doll shoes and accessories so it might work for lippie too.

Edited at 2010-05-14 22:40 (UTC)
ljc: scary doll person (star trek is for girltaraljc on 14th May 2010 22:49 (UTC)
I have liquitex opal, but they didn't have a bronze/orange glitter paint. So I'm wondering if I seal the entire face with matte acrylic seal before I start and then use the Sakura gel pen over the factory paint, let it dry overnight, then seal it again with gloss varnish, it might work.

eta: I'm mostly concerned with the ink bleeding into the vinyl over time. I did a test on a random doll head I've been using for practice, and am going to let it sit for a week, to see

Edited at 2010-05-14 22:55 (UTC)
Soufflé Girl Wannaberagdoll on 14th May 2010 23:20 (UTC)
Let me know how it works out. I've never used sealant like that so it *might* work. I have also used pearlescent acrylics over a base colour -- if you do it in a very very light coat, the white ones are usually translucent and make the undercoat glittery/pearly.
ljc: star trek (gaila)taraljc on 15th May 2010 01:59 (UTC)
I've got a test going... I'll seal it tomorrow, and then wait and see if the ink bleeds into the vinyl over time.
Minim Calibreminim_calibre on 15th May 2010 00:19 (UTC)
Have you tried nail polish with microglitter?
A Splash of Sass: Phasers Set to Fabulousschizoauthoress on 15th May 2010 01:31 (UTC)
This idea might work, but you definitely would want to use a craft-quality sealant atop the nail polish, since polish is a short term paint thing.

I've never had good luck with ink pens instead of paint -- it always, always bleeds into the vinyl for me. I'm fighting a losing battle to clean up an Aja that got her hair blacked by Sharpie... the pen ink transferred onto the softer plastic of her head, face, and arms and it will not come out after bleeding in. (A pox on children that don't understand the awesome that is Technicolor hair!)
ljc: scary doll person (trek is for girls)taraljc on 15th May 2010 01:49 (UTC)
Have you tried Oxy 10 on her? it may take a while, but I've heard it cleans Sharpie ink out of the vinyl.

So far I've got a test doll head--an Artsy Fashionista I'd stolen the body from, for one of my trichelles. I put down matte sealant over the factory paint, let it dry, then applied the Sakura gel pen. I'm going to let it dry overnight, then tomorrow seal over it with glossy varnish. I'm then going to put it on a shelf for a week or a month, and keep checking it. The Gaila I'm working on won't ship for another few weeks anyway, so I'll wait and do her lips as the very last part. I've repainted my own Gaila using Liquidex Opal glitter paint mixed with a little red pigment, and am waiting to see how it dries.
A Splash of Sass: Uhura_sassschizoauthoress on 15th May 2010 02:51 (UTC)
Actually I planned on getting Removezit from Twin Pines of Maine... I should do that now that I have funds in my Paypal. Thanks for jogging my memory. :)

Your plan sounds like a good one...as long as there is a layer of sealant between the plastic and the ink, there should be minimal if any bleed-thru.
ljc: star trek (gaila)taraljc on 15th May 2010 03:34 (UTC)
The main issue with the gel pens I'm discovering is that it flakes off really easily. I'm experimenting with gloss varnish over it, but I worry it's on too thick and won't dry :(

Edited at 2010-05-15 03:34 (UTC)
A Splash of Sass: Vulcan Gangsterschizoauthoress on 15th May 2010 12:33 (UTC)
When you say "on too thick" do you mean the gel pen or the varnish?

And have you thought about mixing the gel pan stuff with varnish? If you could get enough of it out of the pen, I mean.
ljc: scary doll person (star trek is for girltaraljc on 18th May 2010 21:35 (UTC)
The varnish.

Part of the issue with lip repaints is control. I have more control with the pen than I do a brush, which is why I'm giving the pens a try...
La Femme Crayolaannlarimer on 18th May 2010 21:32 (UTC)
You can use gel pens, BUT! it takes a certain amount of care.

1. Put down a layer of acrylic varnish or medium or whatever you use. Let it dry.

2. Do your gel pen stuff. Depending on the tetchiness of the pen, you may have to 'dot' the stuff on. Let it dry. Then let it dry more than you think it needs to dry. Then let it dry more.

3. Put another layer of acrylic varnish over it. You will need your teeniest brush, or a toothpick or pin, and you will have to put it on without the brush actually touching the gel ink so it doesn't smear.

4. Let it dry.

It might be easier to mix your own, with acrylic medium, paint, and interference medium.
ljc: scary doll person (star trek is for girltaraljc on 18th May 2010 21:34 (UTC)
I've had great results on the test doll thus far. Gonna try on my next Gaila, for sparkly lipstick. I did get some liquitex opal gem paint that has glitter, but it's not quite glittery *enough*, so I'm looking forward to trying with the gel pens next.

I actually have been using a darning needle to to fine work--making sure I'm not scratching/puncturing the vinyl.