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19 November 2005 @ 13:58
 
Okay, I am on the second cuppa of the morning (afternoon--whatever), and have just spent an hour getting caught up on my flist in the wake of the Doctor Who CIN scene.

I've seen a LOT of people very conflicted about Ten, which interests me from the fannish perspective, cos I think a lot of the fans who are very focused in a one OR the other sort of way re Eccleston and Tennant and Ninth Doctor and Tenth Doctor are folks who were, with the new series, new Whovians. This is their first regeneration.

And intellectually knowing that they have been other Doctors prior to the Ninth, and there will be other Doctors after him, is one thing. But in their hearts the Doctor is Eccleston and no-one else. And you can argue logic with people cos it involves their brains. But one can never argue feelings cos hearts don't operate that way. (trust me--I just had a 15 minute convo with my Judy about this, wherein she was very skeptical about this whole Ten thing)

Okay, so here's my thing:

I think the human heart has an infinite capacity for love.

No-one expects you to make a choice. No-one is holding a gun to your heard, saying you HAVE to chose one or the other. There is no choice to be made--the realities of casting have made a choice for us (that there will be no more Ninth Doctor television adventures) and that can be hard to accept. But loving the Tenth Doctor (or even just liking him) changes one's love of the Ninth Doctor not one wit.

It's perfectly fine to love the Doctor in more than one incarnation. It's never a betrayal of either one Doctor over another, or fans of one over the other. It's all a big love-fest. And you'll make new memories from watching the Tenth Doctor, that will never replace the memories you have of the Ninth Doctor's episodes and your fannish experiences with friends re: the 1st series.

No-one is saying you HAVE to love one incarnation of Doctor more than another, and no-one has the right to judge you by which Doctor you love the very most, or the reasons why. If you like Nine best? That's just fine, so long as you do not insist everyone else follow your example. You adore Ten? Shiny! But you're not allowed to make a Nine-only fan feel bad for not loving Ten as well. And it's perfectly fine and natural to love them both, too. In the end, whether it's Nine or Ten or Five or Three or Eight or even ONE, they're all the Doctor, and we love the Doctor. Period. Full stop.

The thing of it is, a character is MORE than just the actor who portrays him. A character is a group effort. Television, unlike novels, is a collaborative medium. Characters are the result of the writer's words, brought to life by the actor, shepherded by the director, and nurtured by the other cast members and characters.

We the fans may have lost Chris Eccleston as the Doctor, but that doesn't mean that we've lost everything we loved. Nor does it mean we may never get it back. It'll be different, yeah. But it always is. That family that brought us the character we love is still there. We trusted them to give us stories we love once; why should we stop trusting? Part of the love of fiction is allowing it to affect us--bring us joy AND pain. The way I see it, everybody's doing their job, and that just makes me excited. Because I get MORE STORIES YAY!

And it doesn't matter that they won't be exactly the same stories. Heck, every new Who episode changed the characters and premise a bit, until the people we said good-bye for a while to in POTW were very different from the people we'd met in "Rose." That's PART of falling in love with an on-going series, yeah?

So relax, and keep an open mind, and don't worry. It's all good.

KTHXBYE.
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Lara: doctor/rose still insidelarakailyn on 19th November 2005 20:06 (UTC)
*applauds*

Well said!
One Whose Honesty is Stronger Than Her Fear: firstfanamilyn on 19th November 2005 20:18 (UTC)
Fantastic icon!
(no subject) - larakailyn on 19th November 2005 20:21 (UTC) (Expand)
pbristow on 19th November 2005 20:10 (UTC)
Well said!

Paul B. =:o}
(Doctor Who fan since 1973. I love 'em all, each in their own way.)
Hil: DRWHO: Should I Kill it?hercircumstance on 19th November 2005 20:11 (UTC)
I find it hard to understand the panic because I enjoyed Doctors 3, 4, 5, (long hiatus because of PBS *stabs*) and then 9, and now I love 10 too. Just seems natural to me. Thanks for fleshing out some of the other perspectives on it. I have been programmed to be excited about regenerations, but there are other reactions, yeah. People just need to tap into the spirit of Who and see if they can still enjoy it.
gwynnega: Four Calapinegwynnega on 19th November 2005 20:15 (UTC)
Well said!!
ninaredux on 19th November 2005 20:17 (UTC)
It's interesting reading people's reactions on LJ versus the ones on the OG forums. On OG, you've got a wide range of Who fans, most of whom have been through regenerations before. The main concern seems to be "Will David Tennant be good as the Doctor?" rather than "Is Ten the Doctor?"

For lots of new Who fans, I think they fell in love with the Rose/Doctor pairing first rather than the overall concept of Doctor Who. They're coming at it from a different place.

Personally (I'm one of these new people), I love DW especially because of the mutability of the main character. Interesting to juxtapose the sci-fi concept of regeneration against the old-fashioned romantic pairing.

Anyway, nice post.
Kathryn A: Doc7-foresightkerravonsen on 21st November 2005 02:22 (UTC)
The main concern seems to be "Will David Tennant be good as the Doctor?" rather than "Is Ten the Doctor?"

And for Old Who fans, a reasonable concern, because we did get the Colin Baker disaster... (okay, there are some fans who do like him, and he can sort of grow on you, but...)
Hilary Booth... of course: doctor whohildy on 19th November 2005 20:26 (UTC)
What I liked about CIN tease was that they showed that exact conflict with Rose herself. This was and wasn't the Doctor.

And yes, I'm torn between wanting 9 back, because we didn't have him nearly long enough, to trying to accept 10. I think it'll be better once he's in different costume and more settled. I noticed that when I went through the Baker-McCoy regeneration, which was my first experience with the concept of "new Doctor, but just like the old".

A.j.: dr. whoaj on 19th November 2005 20:30 (UTC)
::CLINGS TO SEVEN::

Er. Yes. I'm just a bit sad that we didn't get MORE Nine before we got Ten. I think that's what makes me a mite reserved about Ten. But again, I've only seen the little 4 minute scenelet with him, so I shall stfu until a time when I can make a more informed decision.

::GOES BACK TO CLINGING TO SEVEN OMG::

Crap. I need nos to make me an icon.
One Whose Honesty is Stronger Than Her Fear: firstfanamilyn on 19th November 2005 22:05 (UTC)
Actually...that's exactly it; Nine should have had about three seasons; there was so much there to mine. But I've got to respect the exhaustion factor.
Gamiilagamiila on 19th November 2005 20:33 (UTC)
::nods in total agreement::
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(no subject) - sideofzen on 20th November 2005 00:12 (UTC) (Expand)
Poly-Doctoral - giglet on 21st November 2005 02:16 (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Poly-Doctoral - kerravonsen on 21st November 2005 02:23 (UTC) (Expand)
Ide Cyan: 1st - darthnellide_cyan on 19th November 2005 20:50 (UTC)
I think a lot of the fans who are very focused in a one OR the other sort of way re Eccleston and Tennant and Ninth Doctor and Tenth Doctor are folks who were, with the new series, new Whovians. This is their first regeneration.

Ah, newbies. In my day, you tuned in one time to see the last 7th Doctor story without *knowing* it was the last, and the next week the show had changed to black & white because they'd gone back 26 years in time!!
ljc: TARDIS (spinny)taraljc on 19th November 2005 21:00 (UTC)
barefoot through the snow! uphill! both ways!

What kills me is my Judy is sorta kinda Old Skool (they were on Two or possibly Three, I think, when she and Poppy moevd from UK to States) but she fell madly in love with Nine and has been sulky about Ten. She actually vowed, after POTW, never to watch again... I laughed, tho, cos I know her too well. We'll finish the Xmas special, and she'll be all "When does the 2nd series start now?"
tarkheena lizzeeen: dw - addictedliminalliz on 19th November 2005 21:27 (UTC)
This is such a FANTASTIC post of healing, omg! Thanks for posting this.
ljc: useful icontaraljc on 19th November 2005 21:54 (UTC)
*hugs u*
Hal Jordan! Let's do it!: go figurememlu on 19th November 2005 21:34 (UTC)
Yay! Personally, I am very sad at the skepticism, 'cause, you know. It's the Doctor, in a shiny new body! and while I will miss Nine 'cause he was my big-eared angstwoobie of joy, I am very excited about Ten. Who knows what wacky hijinks the Doctor will get up to now that he's small(er) and blond with a mole between his shoulder blades!

Different fella, but still the same.
melata_fic on 19th November 2005 21:48 (UTC)
(You is not you personally. Just for lack of a pronoun.)

I love all of them. It feels a bit much sometimes, but... yeah, all the ones I've seen, in any form, have moments that make me love them completely.

The best bit is that they /all/ are the Doctor. And there'll be a perfect moment when you can see it, and everything will feel so much better.

Open mind is definitely key. If you're prepared not to like, that makes it worse.
Could use a little more cowbell: Vimesthewhiteowl on 19th November 2005 21:54 (UTC)
And there'll be a perfect moment

With or without nougat? Sorry, fandom switch moment there.
(no subject) - melata_fic on 19th November 2005 23:14 (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - infiniteviking on 21st November 2005 04:04 (UTC) (Expand)
Circe: who - milady - calixacirce_tigana on 19th November 2005 21:51 (UTC)
Crap! Is there already wank? I just found out about the clip!

I just love my fandom. Full stop :)
ljc: doctor wanktaraljc on 19th November 2005 22:07 (UTC)
only actual wank I've seen as at the OG forums. On LJ it's more been folks just having emotional reactions to actually seeing Tennant as the Doctor for real, and dealing with that last step of accepting that the Ninth Doctor is really gone, now. WHich I think is hard for folks for whom Nine was their first Doctor.

I think there's a lot of pressure in certain forums to CHOOSE, adn that you will be judged by the choice you make. That there's this idea that you have to be a fan of one or the other, but that it's not possible to like or love both, and that if you admit publically to looking forward to the new series, then you've somehow betrayed fandom and the Ninth doctor. Meanwhile, a lot of Tennant fans who fell in lvoe with him in otehr projects and who are excited to see his turn as Doctor are being taken to task for loving Ten before we've seen much of him.

Both these factors combined I think is the source of a lot of the unease.
(no subject) - circe_tigana on 19th November 2005 22:12 (UTC) (Expand)
Could use a little more cowbell: 10antthewhiteowl on 19th November 2005 21:53 (UTC)
Well said. I can't wait to see more of Ten, myself, but I am just a little bit apprehensive as to how good DT's going to be. Sort of adds to the excitement, I suppose. Yeah. The more Doctors the merrier. :)