ljc ([info]taraljc) wrote,
@ 2007-11-30 15:26:00
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Do you like Big Finish audios? Then please read this. And then ask your flist. And ask them to ask their flists. Because it's important.

I first head of Big Finish when I saw the new series, and having loved "Dalek" and leant it was based on a Big Finish audio adventure called "Jubilee", I downloaded three of Shearman's BF dramas to see if I would like them. I dloaded because they were hella expensive to order from the UK and I hadn't been to a con yet where they were for sale and I really genuinely didn't have the money to spare. And I did like them. And this year at Chicago TARDIS I bought a copy of Scherzo, one of the three I'd listened to, because I was flush and I could, and more importantly, because I ought to as a geeky fangirl, if I could afford to. So soon as I am flush, I plan on buying the two other cds I've listened to and liked.

There's one very important difference between downloading telly and downloading Big Finish... Telly is supported in the US by advertising, on cable by subscriptions, on PBS by pledge drives, and DVD sales and the like etc. But Big Finish is supported solely by people actually buying Big Finish cds. And the only way a small production company can keep operating is if they weren't actually losing sales to illegal downloads.

The folks I went to CT with went to the BF panels where the affect illegal downloads has was discussed, and we got together afterwards and decided maybe it was time to try and do something to help rectify the situation. Because we figured if all the folks out there in online fandom who dload BF without then buying legit copies knew the negative impact it was having, maybe they'd change tactics and we'd be able to help a little bit. So, anyway...

If you love BF audios, or even if you just like them, then buy one, and tell your friends to buy one. So they can make more. It's that easy.

Want to sample an audio first? Check out their website and listen to samples. Ask to borrow a friend's copy. Listen to one, to test drive it first. But if you like what you hear, then please buy it. Cos the only way for the company to make more stories is if people buy cds and subscriptions. They are not a huge company. They are, in fact, a handful of people who are working their asses off and trying to create high-quality products with little more than fannish glee and a small studio. They are good people. I quite like them. But even if they weren't, I'd still want to encourage people to actually buy their products instead of downloading them and then not buying them, because they are not in this to make money, so much as they are in this to make Doctor Who adventures (and, for that matter, Sapphire & Steel, The Tomorrow People, Luther Arkwright, Dark Shadows, etc.) because they are geeky fanboys and fanboys, unlike fangirls, don't do fanzines. Instead, they found companies like BBV and Big Finish. And those companies have salaries to pay and rent to pay, and tea and HobNobs to buy. Which they can't, if we don't buy cds or legal onlien downloads directly from them, or subscriptions, or from distributors and at cons.

Right now in the US, the fannish community are all opening our hearts and wallets to support the WGA, in the hopes that writers will get a shot at a fair shake from the studios, get paid for their work, and get paid fairly. And I think it might be a good time to remind fandom that kind of fair play ought to exist across the board. I know fans will always pimp via tape trading and downloads, etc. as a way to increase the size of the fandom, and create more fans. And we all say "and then when it comes out, I'll buy it on DVD," and many of us do put our money where our mouths are. But Sony or the BBC or Disney won't stop making films and telly, if we download.

Big Finish's bottom line, however, is severely impacted by illegal downloads. They can't make more product if folks are getting it for free. Just a simple fact.

And so when we dload and then don't buy legit copies, we are quite literally taking money out of the writers and actors and editors and directors and sound technitians and composers and all the creatives behind BF audio dramas pockets and food out of their mouths. And they're many of them very nice people, and you don't actually want Nick Briggs, Jason Haigh-Ellery, Nigel Fairs, or Scott Alan Woodard to starve, do you? They're nice boys! They need fattening up!

David Tennant may be the Doctor now, but before he was the Doctor, he recorded Big Finish audios. Some of them by literally crashing the recording sessions and begging for a job. Because he's a big geeky fanboy. Just like us. And I really love the idea that we have new Doctor Who now since 2005 in part because Big Finish was creating new Doctor Who then, in 1999, and keeping the fandom alive during the Wilderness Years.

So if you like Big Finish, please consider buying a cd, or pimping them to your local comic book shop. Or buying and donating some to your local library for to hook mroe fans on the crack. Cos it means we'll get more crack later on if we buy the crack now. And I am ALL FOR keeping the crack supply topped up, me.

ETA: [info]neadods has excellent things to say in her journal as well.

And remember, BF doesn't just do audio adventures. They also publish original novels and anthologies and script books, as well as soundtracks. And they've got a massive sale on until 14 January with free UK delivery.



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[info]neadods
2007-11-30 09:48 pm UTC (link)
I would like to toss into the pot that it's never "too late" to buy a BF title - they never go out of print, bless 'em. And that if you do get a subscription, they make sure that subscribers get little extras - old interviews, extra adventures, etc.

Oh, and they make great Christmas gifts!

Edited at 2007-11-30 09:48 pm UTC

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[info]mireille719
2007-11-30 09:58 pm UTC (link)
I had already planned to buy some Big Finish audios once I get some money (Christmas present-type money, that is). This makes it even more likely that I will.

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[info]fan_eunice
2007-11-30 10:09 pm UTC (link)
Thank you! I have been lame about posting about this, and now you did it so I just have to point towards yours. *huggles you*

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(no subject) - [info]taraljc, 2007-11-30 10:40 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]calliopes_pen
2007-11-30 10:36 pm UTC (link)
I've only recently heard of Big Finish, but I had thought it was just something that people could only get to work if they had Ipods or something. (Can't afford it anyway, and I don't buy anything if it's from the UK, due to conversion costs.)

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(no subject) - [info]taraljc, 2007-11-30 10:39 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ragdoll
2007-11-30 10:36 pm UTC (link)
I always stock up on BF stuff at Gallifrey and picked up two when I was in London *and* turned another friend on to them (I convinced her that she would loooooove Shada. And she did). Oddly enough, I could dl plenty of BFA stuff and never do. Part of the Gallifrey ritual is going to Gene's table and buying them!

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[info]fizzixrat
2007-11-30 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Nicely said, Tara. :)


I haven't bought much from Big Finish the past three and a half years due to financial constraints, but I've been wanting too badly. Meanwhile, because I have got to know some of the people behind the productions and understand that, for all intensive purposes, they are your classic "small business", I just can't bring myself to do something so cruel as to listen to a bunch of illegal downloads of the material I'm missing. I can't even bring myself to ask to borrow discs from local friends to listen to. I *want* to provide financial support to these guys.

Despite the financial constraints, I did break down and buy five audios at CT2k7 last week from the Alien Entertainment table -- SJS Series Two (after the finish of SJA Series One, I needed more SJ fix) and the first Sapphire & Steel -- mainly to have something to listen to on the drive home to Minnesota. I also made a promise to Jason Haigh-Ellery that once the wife is employed again and we are more financially solvent, he should be expecting a BIG order (i.e. in the hundreds of pounds range) from me later in 2008, when I begin to catch up.

Meanwhile, I've continued to support their product via word-of-mouth.

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(no subject) - [info]taraljc, 2007-11-30 11:05 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]dark_aegis
2007-12-01 01:51 am UTC (link)
I adore Big Finish. The audios that I have picked up are brilliant, and I've borrowed disks from friends when I've wanted to get caught up. It's well worth the money to buy just one. I adore each and every one of the audios that I've listened to and wish that I could afford to buy all 100 plus audios. I snuggle the ones that I do have - they're great for making the time go faster when you're doing automated testing. *g*

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[info]violetisblue
2007-12-01 02:01 am UTC (link)
I'm waiting until they put the promised paid-download feature in place, but happy to support their efforts.

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(no subject) - [info]fizzixrat, 2007-12-01 04:17 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]palmetto, 2007-12-01 07:28 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]neadods, 2007-12-01 04:07 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]lonemagpie, 2007-12-01 03:57 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]violetisblue, 2007-12-01 08:03 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]kerravonsen
2007-12-01 02:47 am UTC (link)
I admit I've listened to dloads, and it is very expensive to get stuff from the UK (no point in me getting it from the US, it would be even more expensive!), but I do buy BF audios. Usually in periodic big chunks, since it's cheaper to get more at one time. And I've subscribed to their Sapphire & Steel audios since they started that line.

I'm still semi-bad, though, because I've heard more than I've bought. (sigh)

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(no subject) - [info]fizzixrat, 2007-12-01 04:19 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]kerravonsen, 2007-12-01 04:36 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]fizzixrat, 2007-12-01 06:55 am UTC (Expand)

[info]cryptile
2007-12-01 03:09 am UTC (link)
Very well said, and very true. I've not had income or opportunity to get many legitimate copies *koff* but it does rankle that I haven't supported them more, as they do good crack work and should be able to keep doing the good crackwork.

(I've been considering ordering a Sapphire and Steel CD for one or both of my parents based on the series description; can anyone recommend a title?)

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(no subject) - [info]fizzixrat, 2007-12-01 04:23 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]kerravonsen, 2007-12-01 04:38 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]smallship1, 2007-12-01 01:27 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]amaresu, 2007-12-01 03:46 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]neadods, 2007-12-01 04:09 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]palmetto
2007-12-01 07:06 am UTC (link)
...off to buy Eye of the Scorpion. Right now.

[ETA] Whoops, I bought the first Benny audio instead. I swear it jumped into my cart. Nevertheless, I need my crack! D:

Edited at 2007-12-01 07:31 am UTC

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[info]andrastewhite
2007-12-01 08:01 am UTC (link)
Aha! A perfect excuse to buy The One Doctor! After the Christmas shopping is done, I shall have to go back for more.

A friend of mine owns the entire run of DW audios, so I've borrowed most of them, but I am collecting the ones I like.

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[info]lizbee
2007-12-01 09:06 am UTC (link)
Well said. I am ... well, I have a lot of downloaded BF audios, most of which were given to me by others. But when they have their paid downloads, I shall totally be replacing my illegal files. And if I ever have a proper job, I shall buy the actual CDs, too. For Lee Binding's covers, if nothing else.

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yes i tried to support big finish
[info]suitandtieguy
2007-12-01 10:22 am UTC (link)
i offered to give nicholas briggs a couple grand in free synth gear (i manufacture and sell the sort of synths Murray Gold thinks suck, which means they equal awesome) when he was here in illinois, but emails sent to both enquiries at bigfinish dot com and friend of nick via friend of nick's friend got no replies. not even a "hey doctor who is all about bullshit like PCM synths and conducting orchestras over a webcam from new york fucking city now and even audios produced by superfans get the sort of treatment that doesn't involve awesome shit like VCS3s and vocoders so fuck off suit & tie guy!"

if that's the sort of way people who are fans and also manufacturers of tools the people which they are fans of are treated then i really don't care. if things went down the bit bucket then the offer still stands. i think their work is fab.

Edited at 2007-12-01 10:23 am UTC

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Re: yes i tried to support big finish - [info]taraljc, 2007-12-01 05:57 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: yes i tried to support big finish - [info]notfromvenus, 2007-12-02 05:21 am UTC (Expand)

[info]lonemagpie
2007-12-01 03:58 pm UTC (link)
Well said.

Especially buy the ones wot I wrote...

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(no subject) - [info]taraljc, 2007-12-01 04:04 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]lonemagpie, 2007-12-01 04:10 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]shinyjenni
2007-12-01 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for this post. I've been thinking about getting a subscription for ages, and reading this has given me the push I needed to actually do it!

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[info]jetpack_monkey
2007-12-01 06:00 pm UTC (link)
When I get a bit more cash in the coffers, I may just splurge on a 6-adventure budget subscription.

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[info]wyldemusick
2007-12-01 08:25 pm UTC (link)
On this side of the pond, let me also chuck in a recco for Mike's Comics, on LJ as [info]mikescomics, and co-run by my friend [info]norda. They carry the entire BF line, as well as the new Blakes 7 audios, they're very fast, and they discount nicely. They'll also do things on a subscription basis, and they have a variety of special deals going at one time or another.

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[info]parhelion_spark
2007-12-01 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Like some others have stated, I'm waiting for the paid downloads- in my household, everything I have on disc just gets stolen by my tweeker brother, and they're too expensive to go towards his drug habit, dammit.
And far too awesome.
(I am moving soon though. Perhaps discs then. If only for the pretty of the artwork, and that new disc smell.)

That said, I refuse to feel guilty for my less than legal downloads. I (and many other fans, presumably) would've never gotten into Big Finish were it not for the glory of downloads. And that would've been criminal, because, well, they're fucking amazing. Have I mentioned that? How wonderful, and amazing, and utterly fantabulous they are?
ILU BIG FINISH.

(Minor note: I seriously doubt twas meant as anything more than light-hearted observation on fangirls, but I confess wee bits of irkage at the suggestion that only bedongled fans are capable of useful fandom things. Tiny bit sexist sounding, and it's really only being mentioned because my initial reaction to sexism is to grow annoyed, and ignore it's source.. which in this case is very true and relevant information the ignoring of which would've been bad for BF, because you're right, they REALLY need their sales. And as mentioned BF is awesome, and deserves money, hugs, and cupcakes, so yeah! It's probably nothing, and I'm not trying to start any accidental flamewar or call you sexist or anything, FTR! But if I didn't at least mention it, it would've driven me crazy all day. Because I'm neurotic like that, basically. Blagh.)

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[info]pinwiz
2007-12-01 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Big Finish, have you ever heard of iTunes?

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(no subject) - [info]taraljc, 2007-12-01 11:26 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]kerravonsen, 2007-12-01 11:39 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]taraljc, 2007-12-01 11:42 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]jmswallow
2007-12-01 10:15 pm UTC (link)
As another BF writer, allow me to echo Lonemagpie's Well said (not to mention a shameless suggestion to buy my stuff), and also remind the good people of the interweb that BF's fine and most commodious range also includes the action-paced Judge Dredd series as well as the adventures of the Doc, S&S, Sarah Jane, Luther Arkwright and more; and there's some cool stuff to come in '08.

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[info]hercircumstance
2007-12-02 01:20 am UTC (link)
I just bought a couple CDs straight from Big Finish. I've never listened to a whole story before, but I heard part of one reviewed on podcast and thought I'd give them a shot.

People need to stop treating these small companies like they do network tv downloads where unless you have a box hooked to your tv they don't really care if you watch or not (or they care, but with such a flawed ratings system it seems like they don't).

One of the oldest and well respected anime distributors in the states shut down last month, partially because of downloaders. People want their product, they just don't want to pay for it for whatever reason. These are usually small operations who only get funding from people actually buying their product, not like big American tv networks. The whole "well it makes the fandom grow so I must be ok" thing is tripe. They need money to keep going and if you don't pay for their product, they don't get money, they shut down. It does happen. When things are as tight as they are for small companies every sale counts.

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[info]abates
2007-12-02 01:47 am UTC (link)
In New Zealand, you can get them through the NZDWFC*, which is how I come to have almost a complete set of the Who audios. Although, granted, a good deal of the more recent ones are sitting in a tower on my desk waiting to be listened to... :)

* I mention this in case there are any other Kiwis reading this post...

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[info]notfromvenus
2007-12-02 05:37 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it does bug me, because BF really does need the money.... I mean, I don't have much money to throw around (cashier salary - college tuition = not much), so I do sympathize. But even so I try to at least buy them second-hand and hope the seller will use the money to buy a new one. I wish I could afford to buy more direct, though.

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[info]snapesbabe
2007-12-02 11:43 am UTC (link)
Hee! I love you

(I are the world's biggest Joe Lidster fangirl and don't want to see him starve either ;))

This could maybe do with being flagged up at [info]bigfinishlove too...

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