ljc ([info]taraljc) wrote,
@ 2007-05-23 12:56:00
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Apparently, all it takes to get back on Fanlib's radar after 2 months radio silence is leaving a comment on Henry's blog.

The thing is, I do think David Williams is and was sincere about wanting to pick my brain. I also think his apology via email this morning was sincere AND damage control.

But I pretty much am standing by my original advice to them, which was: "do not be a fanfic archive."

Since that pretty much goes against their marketing plan... yeah.

Still, it'll be interesting to see, once the dust settles, where we're at.

I do think Fanlib has a unique opportunity to position itself as a middleman between the studios and the fans, and continue with contests the way they did with The L Word. Which involves paying for licenses, and working with the studios, and not hosting unlicensed fan works. That is where they have solid ground under their feet. But that can't be possible where fans are expected to provide original content free without compensation, or provide derivative unlicensed content where the studios aren't granting license (which would protect the fan writer) and the publisher (Fanlib) would be profiting without either the studio being compensated (by the purchase of a licence) or the fan being paid and protected from legal action. And that's not just a legal thing, it's ethics. And, you know, LOGIC.

Basically, you're either a For Profit entity that plays by the rules, or you're a nor-for-profit fanfic archive that operates under the radar. You can't be both. And if the answer to that is "but why not?" then there's not a hell of a lot I can really do other than get the hell outta Dodge before the mainstream media picks the story up and we end up with World War III on our hands.

Also? Media fan fiction is no longer 98% female, nor has it been for a very long time. Comics, gaming, anime, and pretty much the entirety of Doctor Who fandom for the last 20 years have skewed the gender ratio in media fandom to something approaching 85:15, so far as I can tell. Yes, overwhelmingly female. But the boyz are here, and they've been here for a while. They are still more interested in consuming stories than telling stories (and if they do tell stories, gaming is the preferred method, rather than 'zines), but they are out there. And in a lot of cases (Peter David, anyone?) always have been.

Currently, I'm seeing Fanlib as the Creation Con of fanfic. Their goal is to make money hosting content, which they see as giving fans a better/stronger/faster forum in which do what we've always done. However, we aren't in the position where we need another channel of distribution. And we're not likely to stand by while anyone else rakes in profit* off our content. Not unless we've either paid for the right to make a profit off someone else's work via a license or someone is paying US to produce content, in partnership with the studios. That's how a For Profit world works. Which is why the lion's share of us prefer living Underground, below the radar. At least that way, there are fewer casualties on both sides.

And frankly, if I wanted to make money off my hobby, then I would have long ago tried to do so legitimately. However, that makes it an awful lot like work. And if my hobby becomes work, then I become an Unhappy Monkey with no hobby for to vent steam.

ETA: During a flurry of email and phone tag back and forth on April 2nd, I actually did tell David Williams to contact Henry. I also offered to give a list of other folks both within fandom and outside that they would benefit of talking with.

Also, I think [info]nicestkidintown is or was the "Naomi" who contacted people. However, I'm not 100% sure she didn't join LJ specifically to pimp Fanlib. I found her when I went ljseek-ing to find out more about the site back when they first contacted me.


* and when I say profit, I do mean actual profit. Covering expenses like servers and bandwidth I've always seen as the 21st century equivalent of paying for tribber copies, initial print run, flyers, and con table space back in the Good Old Days of 'zines. Unless you're were in Beauty & The Beast fandom, which meannt a house and a new car. But you know what I mean.



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[info]nestra
2007-05-23 06:14 pm UTC (link)
The thing is, I do think David Williams is and was sincere about wanting to pick my brain. I also think his apology this morning was sincere AND damage control.

Did he e-mail you again?

I think they're sincere too, but at this point, they're just digging themselves deeper and deeper into a hole, and the sort of baffled attitude ("We're just trying to HELP you people!") isn't doing them any favors.

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[info]taraljc
2007-05-23 06:20 pm UTC (link)
Yep, unsolicited, this morning. And I do think he understands where I was coming from. I also think everything I told him that he passed on was pretty much not what they wanetd to hear, hence getting dropped like a hot rock.

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[info]hawkmoth
2007-05-23 07:35 pm UTC (link)
Currently, I'm seeing Fanlib as the Creation Con of fanfic.

Oh my God, yes.

I have to go and finish reading Henry's column.

So, "Fanlib." What's their intent with that title? Is it meant to be short for "Fan (Fanfic) Library"? Because saying Fanlib with the short "i," as is the first natural brain response, makes one think of Fan Liberation, as if these folks were offering fans a chance to throw off the shackles of oppression, be on the radar and stop hiding our wee fanfic lights under bushels...

You know, which some of us have been doing happily for 20 or more years...

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[info]jeff_morris
2007-05-23 09:23 pm UTC (link)
As someone on Fandom Wank put it, their business model seems to be:

1) Collect fanfiction
2) ????????
3) PROFIT!

I really don't understand what they hope to accomplish.

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[info]mscongeniality
2007-05-24 12:02 am UTC (link)
Fanlib just seems like a disaster in the making to me. I'm not getting near it with a ten foot pole, a nine foot czech or any other bad joke you can think of.

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[info]queenofalostart
2007-05-24 12:52 am UTC (link)
It still cracks me up to read his blog and be like, "OMG, my work PAID for me to see him speak!" I'm just kind of watching the whole Fanlib thing from a very, very far place.

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[info]treetracer
2007-05-24 05:49 am UTC (link)
Forgive me, haven't been following this *too* closely, but are they hosting fan works' without the fan's permission? Taking someone's story and just putting it up there?

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[info]taraljc
2007-05-24 02:18 pm UTC (link)
no, they're inviting authors to archive there. Tho so few have taken them up on it, I'm sure it'll be open submissions any minute now. Unless it is already...

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[info]inalasahl
2007-05-24 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Anyone can sign up for an account now. I signed up a few days ago to protect my name.

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[info]inalasahl
2007-05-29 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Would you feel comfortable putting some of this information into an unlocked post or at least commenting over here? I think it would be good for people to know that more than one person had a dialogue with them laying out the problems two months ago. I'm concerned they may get undue consideration as miera_c had to quit the dialogue at one point and never got back to them.

ETA: During a flurry of email and phone tag back and forth on April 2nd, I actually did tell David Williams to contact Henry. I also offered to give a list of other folks both within fandom and outside that they would benefit of talking with.
You know, that makes me even more pissed off that Chris Williams ended up answering Henry's questions, but not telesilla's (or anyone else's who's blogging on lj).

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[info]taraljc
2007-05-29 04:32 pm UTC (link)
I've unlocked my fanlib posts (after some editing). I'm at work now, but I'll comment on miera-c's post when I get home tonight...

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[info]inalasahl
2007-05-29 07:44 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!

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